#Eulora log for Sunday, 2018-06-10

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lobbesbotA#197 O=3mn HB=3.2mn E=06-12 21:51:35 (69h39) >>> 120 ALC q1600:12
lobbesbotA#199 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:54 (69h41) >>> 120 ATC q1600:12
lobbesbotA#200 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:54:55 (69h42) >>> 120 NGC q1600:12
lobbesbotA#198 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:00 (69h40) >>> 62 AMcGC q4700:12
lobbesbotA#202 O=13.5mn HB=13.5mn E=06-11 07:59:05 (31h46) >>> 942 ACG q15200:12
lobbesbotA#194 O=85mn HB=90mn E=06-11 00:39:42 (24h27) >>> 102 WoA q235000:12
lobbesbotA#195 O=10mn HB=11mn E=06-11 23:58:53 (47h46) >>> 1 GT q318436400:12
lobbesbotA#201 O=40mn HB=40mn E=06-12 22:13:31 (70h1) >>> 1 TW q859990800:12
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mircea_popesculobbes, there's an ambiguity, GT can mean either grim toolkit or grubsilk threads. suppose we change the latter to GST ?01:38
lobbesbotA#197 O=3mn HB=3.2mn E=06-12 21:51:35 (67h39) >>> 120 ALC q1602:12
lobbesbotA#199 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:54 (67h41) >>> 120 ATC q1602:12
lobbesbotA#200 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:54:55 (67h42) >>> 120 NGC q1602:12
lobbesbotA#198 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:00 (67h40) >>> 62 AMcGC q4702:12
lobbesbotA#202 O=13.5mn HB=13.5mn E=06-11 07:59:05 (29h46) >>> 942 ACG q15202:12
lobbesbotA#194 O=85mn HB=90mn E=06-11 00:39:42 (22h27) >>> 102 WoA q235002:12
lobbesbotA#195 O=10mn HB=11mn E=06-11 23:58:53 (45h46) >>> 1 GT q318436402:12
lobbesbotA#201 O=40mn HB=40mn E=06-12 22:13:31 (68h1) >>> 1 TW q859990802:12
lobbesbot--- end of auction list, 166.7mn total bids ---02:12
lobbesmircea_popescu, ah yeah. I noticed that not too long ago as well. I have updated items db so gst = grubsilk threads and gt = grimy toolkit03:16
lobbeslikewise, older auctions for grubsilk thread have been updated >> http://lobbesblog.com/queryauctions/pricehistory/auction.php?AuctionId=15303:17
lobbesbotA#197 O=3mn HB=3.2mn E=06-12 21:51:35 (65h39) >>> 120 ALC q1604:12
lobbesbotA#199 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:54 (65h41) >>> 120 ATC q1604:12
lobbesbotA#200 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:54:55 (65h42) >>> 120 NGC q1604:12
lobbesbotA#198 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:00 (65h40) >>> 62 AMcGC q4704:12
lobbesbotA#202 O=13.5mn HB=13.5mn E=06-11 07:59:05 (27h46) >>> 942 ACG q15204:12
lobbesbotA#194 O=85mn HB=90mn E=06-11 00:39:42 (20h27) >>> 102 WoA q235004:12
lobbesbotA#195 O=10mn HB=11mn E=06-11 23:58:53 (43h46) >>> 1 GT q318436404:12
lobbesbotA#201 O=40mn HB=40mn E=06-12 22:13:31 (66h1) >>> 1 TW q859990804:12
lobbesbot--- end of auction list, 166.7mn total bids ---04:12
mircea_popesculobbes, ty!04:24
lobbesbotA#197 O=3mn HB=3.2mn E=06-12 21:51:35 (64h39) >>> 120 ALC q1605:12
lobbesbotA#199 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:54 (64h41) >>> 120 ATC q1605:12
lobbesbotA#200 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:54:55 (64h42) >>> 120 NGC q1605:12
lobbesbotA#198 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:00 (64h40) >>> 62 AMcGC q4705:12
lobbesbotA#202 O=13.5mn HB=13.5mn E=06-11 07:59:05 (26h46) >>> 942 ACG q15205:12
lobbesbotA#194 O=85mn HB=90mn E=06-11 00:39:42 (19h27) >>> 102 WoA q235005:12
lobbesbotA#195 O=10mn HB=11mn E=06-11 23:58:53 (42h46) >>> 1 GT q318436405:12
lobbesbotA#201 O=40mn HB=40mn E=06-12 22:13:31 (65h1) >>> 1 TW q859990805:12
lobbesbot--- end of auction list, 166.7mn total bids ---05:12
diana_comanmircea_popescu> diana_coman, so basically, mining buries quality ? -> http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-06-04.log.html#t20:31:1108:19
lobbesbotLogged on 2018-06-04 20:31:11: <diana_coman> well, mining was leaking in ...quality; you put q 900 in and you get q 100 or whatever the fuck08:19
diana_coman!Qcalc 2*20*15.7*3588008:25
lobbesbotdiana_coman: 2253264008:25
diana_coman!QAuction 22.5m 48 20 AW q157008:26
lobbesbotAUCTION # 203 STARTED by diana_coman: 20 AW q1570 Opening: 22.5m coppers Ending: 2018-06-12 08:26:17 UTC (48 hours)08:26
diana_comanhanbot, danielpbarron wine pre-float, possibly of interest ^08:26
diana_comanmircea_popescu, re crafting I'd say it looks likely you are hammering perhaps at the wrong end of it: you are trying to force the quality high by using huge q inputs but by the sound of it you are possibly using too high q bps for your char + context atm08:28
diana_comanI guess I'm stuck now having to experiment with various level crafters as well, ugh08:30
lobbesbotA#197 O=3mn HB=3.2mn E=06-12 21:51:35 (60h39) >>> 120 ALC q1609:12
lobbesbotA#199 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:54 (60h41) >>> 120 ATC q1609:12
lobbesbotA#200 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:54:55 (60h42) >>> 120 NGC q1609:12
lobbesbotA#203 O=22.5mn HB=No bids E=06-12 08:26:17 (47h14) >>> 20 AW q157009:12
lobbesbotA#198 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:00 (60h40) >>> 62 AMcGC q4709:12
lobbesbotA#202 O=13.5mn HB=13.5mn E=06-11 07:59:05 (22h46) >>> 942 ACG q15209:12
lobbesbotA#194 O=85mn HB=90mn E=06-11 00:39:42 (15h27) >>> 102 WoA q235009:12
lobbesbotA#195 O=10mn HB=11mn E=06-11 23:58:53 (38h46) >>> 1 GT q318436409:12
lobbesbotA#201 O=40mn HB=40mn E=06-12 22:13:31 (61h1) >>> 1 TW q859990809:12
lobbesbot--- end of auction list, 166.7mn total bids ---09:12
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diana_comanmircea_popescu, you around for the sr?13:10
lobbesbotA#197 O=3mn HB=3.2mn E=06-12 21:51:35 (56h39) >>> 120 ALC q1613:12
lobbesbotA#199 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:54 (56h41) >>> 120 ATC q1613:12
lobbesbotA#200 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:54:55 (56h42) >>> 120 NGC q1613:12
lobbesbotA#203 O=22.5mn HB=No bids E=06-12 08:26:17 (43h14) >>> 20 AW q157013:12
lobbesbotA#198 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:00 (56h40) >>> 62 AMcGC q4713:12
lobbesbotA#202 O=13.5mn HB=13.5mn E=06-11 07:59:05 (18h46) >>> 942 ACG q15213:12
lobbesbotA#194 O=85mn HB=90mn E=06-11 00:39:42 (11h27) >>> 102 WoA q235013:12
lobbesbotA#195 O=10mn HB=11mn E=06-11 23:58:53 (34h46) >>> 1 GT q318436413:12
lobbesbotA#201 O=40mn HB=40mn E=06-12 22:13:31 (57h1) >>> 1 TW q859990813:12
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MockyI'm working on make-mining-bundle-from-recipe and want to confirm that: if bundle already exists, always just use that14:45
lobbesbotPost from dianacoman: Chasing the Elusive Euloran Quality <http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/06/10/chasing-the-elusive-euloran-quality/>14:46
diana_comanMocky, yes, that is preferred behaviour as far as I'm concerned14:46
Mockyok14:46
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lobbesbotA#197 O=3mn HB=3.2mn E=06-12 21:51:35 (54h39) >>> 120 ALC q1615:12
lobbesbotA#199 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:54 (54h41) >>> 120 ATC q1615:12
lobbesbotA#200 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:54:55 (54h42) >>> 120 NGC q1615:12
lobbesbotA#203 O=22.5mn HB=No bids E=06-12 08:26:17 (41h14) >>> 20 AW q157015:12
lobbesbotA#198 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:00 (54h40) >>> 62 AMcGC q4715:12
lobbesbotA#202 O=13.5mn HB=13.5mn E=06-11 07:59:05 (16h46) >>> 942 ACG q15215:12
lobbesbotA#194 O=85mn HB=90mn E=06-11 00:39:42 (9h27) >>> 102 WoA q235015:12
lobbesbotA#195 O=10mn HB=11mn E=06-11 23:58:53 (32h46) >>> 1 GT q318436415:12
lobbesbotA#201 O=40mn HB=40mn E=06-12 22:13:31 (55h1) >>> 1 TW q859990815:12
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danielpbarron!Qbid 203 22.5m16:35
lobbesbotAUCTION # 203: 20 AW q1570 Heard: 22.5mn from danielpbarron Ending: 2018-06-12 08:26:17 UTC (39 hours 50 mins)16:35
danielpbarron!Qbid 197 3.3m16:36
lobbesbotAUCTION # 197: 120 ALC q16 Heard: 3.3mn from danielpbarron overbidding diana_coman Ending: 2018-06-12 21:51:35 UTC (53 hours 15 mins)16:36
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lobbesbotA#197 O=3mn HB=3.3mn E=06-12 21:51:35 (52h39) >>> 120 ALC q1617:12
lobbesbotA#199 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:54 (52h41) >>> 120 ATC q1617:12
lobbesbotA#200 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:54:55 (52h42) >>> 120 NGC q1617:12
lobbesbotA#203 O=22.5mn HB=22.5mn E=06-12 08:26:17 (39h14) >>> 20 AW q157017:12
lobbesbotA#198 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:00 (52h40) >>> 62 AMcGC q4717:12
lobbesbotA#202 O=13.5mn HB=13.5mn E=06-11 07:59:05 (14h46) >>> 942 ACG q15217:12
lobbesbotA#194 O=85mn HB=90mn E=06-11 00:39:42 (7h27) >>> 102 WoA q235017:12
lobbesbotA#195 O=10mn HB=11mn E=06-11 23:58:53 (30h46) >>> 1 GT q318436417:12
lobbesbotA#201 O=40mn HB=40mn E=06-12 22:13:31 (53h1) >>> 1 TW q859990817:12
lobbesbot--- end of auction list, 189.3mn total bids ---17:12
mircea_popescudiana_coman, honestly, i can push q up, i made a bunch of 3-4k q stuff out of 1k and sub 1k q inputs. the problem is that a) i get 10% or so bv in items and b) needs high q bps17:19
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lobbesbotA#197 O=3mn HB=3.3mn E=06-12 21:51:35 (51h39) >>> 120 ALC q1618:12
lobbesbotA#199 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:54 (51h41) >>> 120 ATC q1618:12
lobbesbotA#200 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:54:55 (51h42) >>> 120 NGC q1618:12
lobbesbotA#203 O=22.5mn HB=22.5mn E=06-12 08:26:17 (38h13) >>> 20 AW q157018:12
lobbesbotA#198 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:00 (51h40) >>> 62 AMcGC q4718:12
lobbesbotA#202 O=13.5mn HB=13.5mn E=06-11 07:59:05 (13h46) >>> 942 ACG q15218:12
lobbesbotA#194 O=85mn HB=90mn E=06-11 00:39:42 (6h27) >>> 102 WoA q235018:12
lobbesbotA#195 O=10mn HB=11mn E=06-11 23:58:53 (29h46) >>> 1 GT q318436418:12
lobbesbotA#201 O=40mn HB=40mn E=06-12 22:13:31 (52h1) >>> 1 TW q859990818:12
lobbesbot--- end of auction list, 189.3mn total bids ---18:12
diana_comanmircea_popescu, well that is pretty much first line there - you can push q up but for numina as it were (mainly, mostly); thing is: intermediate crafter with highly-skilled bundle pushes q up for items and not even with huge q bp18:30
mircea_popescuyeah.18:32
mircea_popescuthen again i guess that numina goes into bundles which make eventually lbn... so it'\s not precisely a loss.18:33
diana_comanwhich lbn still gets relatively low q so dunno about it18:35
mircea_popescuwait, what ?!18:44
mircea_popescuoh, oh, gets. myeah.18:44
Mockydiana_coman, i'm trying to grok why the bot is pulling all of the matching items out of the table and stacking them in inventory on top of the output of the current explore every time, only to immediately put it right back in the table. There's a whole stage to do this ExploreActivity::DoGetResources(). I understand the need to keep track of which table slots hold which items. would it be bad to get rid of18:47
MockyExploreActivity::DoGetResources() and just do that bookkeeping in the next stage ExploreActivity::DoStoreResources()?18:47
mircea_popescudiana_coman, btw, got some sr for me ?18:48
diana_comanMocky, that part was trying to take advantage of the auto-mix of same-q when you do take all18:48
diana_comanit all depends on how you currently put them into the table: if you keep track of what is where and therefore you stack same-q directly in the table, it would be great and all that dance is not needed, take it out18:49
diana_comanif however you put them into the table one by one each time in a new slot, you'll soon fill the table18:50
mircea_popescuyeah, gotta stack.18:50
diana_comanmircea_popescu, it's not as simple as it sounds unfortunately18:51
diana_comanthe whole trouble with "I know what I put in there and so I rely on that"18:51
mircea_popescuyeah.18:51
diana_comanran quickly into the delay /lost messages trouble18:51
mircea_popescuincidentally, i wanted to ask : could he force a map reload from the bot ?18:51
diana_comanif you remember that was when poor bot interacted with the world as it should have been as opposed to as it was18:51
mircea_popescuget rid of ghost items that way ?18:51
diana_comanmircea_popescu, eurgh, that is deeeeeep into the gem-shit, not much to do with bot at all; I'm not even sure that there IS a reset i.e. delete all items as such really; I guess at best one could write a hack and then sure, you can call it from wherever18:52
Mockyre: stacking, currently the bot is not separating on quality per se, but on claim type, so all e.g. flotsam from smalls is going to mix18:54
mircea_popescuMocky, this'd be a big deal, if you figure out how to make the client purge and reload its worldimage.18:54
mircea_popescuand this is a terrible model you describe. i got q 633 and q 190 tubers from smalls.18:54
diana_comanMocky, yes, that is because earlier you'd get same q from claim type18:54
diana_comannow...it's different18:54
diana_comanmircea_popescu, yeah, you know, by today's standards after x updates everything is a terrible model18:55
diana_comanlolz18:55
mircea_popescu>D18:55
Mockylol18:55
mircea_popescuhey, i said is, not every was!!118:55
diana_comanMocky, you do need though to change that, yes, there's no way around it18:55
Mockyok i think i understand the stacking now18:56
mircea_popescuMocky, it'd be an acceptable solution to produce a config file for your bot, have a bunch of defaults in there. such as for instance have a quality ranges, and then the bot only mixes within those ranges.18:56
diana_comanitems in inventory have quality as an attribute so you can simply loop through inventory and move everything according to its q18:56
mircea_popescuso if i set it to say 33, the bot will mix q 665 with 663 but not with 66718:56
diana_comanmircea_popescu, mixing though needs to be mixing18:56
diana_comannot just dropping on top18:56
diana_comanand that is another activity in itself18:57
mircea_popescusure.18:57
MockyI don't understand the 'not just dropping on top' part18:58
mircea_popescuMocky, if you mix a stack of 100 items q 1 with a stack of 100 items q2 by dropping a on b, you will get a stack of 200 items q118:58
mircea_popescuthereby losing about 1/3 of the value from the original system18:58
diana_comanMocky, quality of resulting stack is calculated as floor((x*q1+y*q2)/(x+y))18:58
diana_comanso you want to ever mix only same quantity of items and of qualities either both odd or both even so you don't lose anything18:59
Mockyok19:00
diana_comanany other mixing means several steps19:00
* mircea_popescu is itching to send mircescu mining19:01
diana_comanMocky, does the mixing algo make sense to you ?19:03
Mockyyes, it does19:03
Mockythis part is a lot more involved than I thought19:04
diana_comanit is19:05
diana_coman<Mocky> this part is a lot more involved than I thought <- this actually might apply to eulora as a whole too :D19:05
Mockyyeah, was thinking just that. universal statement about eulora19:06
mircea_popescuMocky, alternatively, going back to the config idea, you could have a "tolerance" defined, and you could then mix a q x with b q y such that (ax + by)/(a+b) decimal part is over the stated limit. or perhaps decimal part * qabv, say.19:06
mircea_popescuthis is lossy, though arbitrarily so, but it is indeed faster than the pairs mixing method.19:07
mircea_popescuin any case a calculator, where you could tel lthe bot to target q x, and it could offer you some combos from storage that'd achieve it, would be very useful19:07
diana_comanmircea_popescu, the saddest part is that it's not even about speed per se but rather about the number of moves - every time one needs to basically wait in between it's a mess19:07
diana_comanif bot could only fire the whole sequence and not worry about it, that'd be grand, but sadly that's atm just a recipe for all sorts of fail19:08
mircea_popesculike, /bot select hurr durr blueprint 16 0.01 and it says "well, 122 q 1 and 5 q 750 will do it.19:08
mircea_popescualso, a thing where i can drag an item into the textbox and it populates with its name would be SPLENDID19:09
mircea_popescuMocky, are you having fun yet, btw ?19:11
lobbesbotA#197 O=3mn HB=3.3mn E=06-12 21:51:35 (50h39) >>> 120 ALC q1619:12
lobbesbotA#199 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:54 (50h41) >>> 120 ATC q1619:12
lobbesbotA#200 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:54:55 (50h42) >>> 120 NGC q1619:12
lobbesbotA#203 O=22.5mn HB=22.5mn E=06-12 08:26:17 (37h13) >>> 20 AW q157019:12
lobbesbotA#198 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:00 (50h40) >>> 62 AMcGC q4719:12
lobbesbotA#202 O=13.5mn HB=13.5mn E=06-11 07:59:05 (12h46) >>> 942 ACG q15219:12
lobbesbotA#194 O=85mn HB=90mn E=06-11 00:39:42 (5h27) >>> 102 WoA q235019:12
lobbesbotA#195 O=10mn HB=11mn E=06-11 23:58:53 (28h46) >>> 1 GT q318436419:12
lobbesbotA#201 O=40mn HB=40mn E=06-12 22:13:31 (51h1) >>> 1 TW q859990819:12
lobbesbot--- end of auction list, 189.3mn total bids ---19:12
Mockyactually i am19:12
Mockybut the more things i do, the more i see even more things to do19:13
diana_comanheh, sounds very familiar19:13
* mircea_popescu counts this as proper gaming.19:14
mircea_popescudiana_coman, sr ?!19:14
diana_comanmircea_popescu, ah, yes, 1 min19:15
mircea_popescukk.19:15
diana_comanmircea_popescu, says u bizi19:17
diana_comanmircea_popescu, traaaaade19:19
mircea_popescuyou got coins ?19:20
diana_comanlol, not really19:21
mircea_popescuaite, owe me... what was it19:22
mircea_popescu!Qcalc 2 - 1.315 - 0.51219:22
lobbesbotmircea_popescu: 0.17319:22
mircea_popescuowe me 173k for next tiem./19:22
diana_comanmight have it in bank, will look19:23
mircea_popescueh, no biggy19:24
mircea_popescunot like we don't trade19:24
Mockyok, so my plan was fixup table handling, use recipe for mining bundle, swap tools. now that I see table handling needs tower of hanoi stacking impl, would I better keep on making the table stacking fully useful, or get recipes & tools done first?19:25
mircea_popescuboth are needed anyway, ordering not so important19:26
mircea_popescubtw, to add to your hopper : if i start with cft andf lbn in table, far exceeding my weight limit, is your bot smart enough to use them for crafting ?19:27
mircea_popescufor mining* i mean19:27
Mockycurrently no, and not only that will balk trying to place resources into those slots. but i have a planned fix in the pipeline already19:28
mircea_popescucoolness. this'd be a pretty great holy grail for mining, little harvester puttering about.19:29
mircea_popescuwant a humongo pile of lbn to test out with ?19:29
mircea_popescu(the ~other~ holy grail, for the curious, is when you process the logs into maps and i can just say /mine wpl and it goes where it thinks the best odds to get wpl are and mines there)19:30
Mockythat's in the pipeline too. right behind 'generate navigation mesh from map files'19:32
mircea_popescunow i understand why you're having fun :D19:32
MockyI don't see myself running out of interesting problems anytime soon19:33
mircea_popescumeet me at storage i'll give you some lbn to test with.19:34
Mockyok, i'm here19:35
diana_comanmircea_popescu, getting back to the harvestables and q issues: atm it would seem I have a choice between either selling harvestables around ~200q (basics at least...) or making them into craftables such as slag ~214q and selling that19:36
diana_comanthe difference there is not big; presumably some better fitting would improve it19:36
diana_comanbut the q is: does that help you at all?19:37
mircea_popescusaid you're topo busy. you trade me Mocky19:37
diana_comanlol, that was one of my boys19:37
diana_comani.e. would you rather buy flotsam and sr 180q or slag 220q?19:37
Mockythx19:37
mircea_popescudiana_coman, i don't care which, tbh. slag prolly slightly better as it saves some time. but the thing is, atm i got slag and i'm finishing a 50k ibs run19:38
mircea_popescuwhjat i need are tubers, tpt, wpl, sg19:38
diana_comanof which only tubers are actually basics,lol19:38
mircea_popescuhey, i'd take 1 bn worth at decent qty and reasonable price.19:39
diana_comanatm my pricing of basics will stick with http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-06-08.log.html#t10:48:1619:40
lobbesbotLogged on 2018-06-08 10:48:16: <diana_coman> mircea_popescu, how does this schema for pricing harvestables sound: 0-99q -> 120%; 100-500q adds 0.1 to markup for every q point so (120+(q-100)*0.1)*bv/100 e.g. q130 means (120+(130-100)*0.1)*bv/100 = 123% markup; from 500 to 1000q each q point adds 0.219:40
diana_comanunless I find something better than it19:40
mircea_popescui'd entertain that i think19:40
diana_comanbut myeah, the problems there are basically not solved at all, esp re non-basics19:40
mircea_popescuwell, let's see in order. cs is locked because no tpt ; dt/wos are stuck because no sg. so/us are stuck because no wpl.19:41
mircea_popescuoh im sorry : cs needs tpt AND pss.19:41
diana_comanmaybe19:41
mircea_popescubut atm i'm basically finishing an ibs run, will make lft and then, if tubers manifest, gin19:42
mircea_popescuif tubers don't manifest, io.19:42
diana_comanahaha,the tubers manifest19:42
mircea_popescu>D19:42
diana_comanare you getting 10% items sort of thing on that ibs?19:42
diana_comanor what?19:42
mircea_popescunah, about 1000%19:42
diana_comanoh fuck this idiotic client how the hell can it mistake fox for mircescu when she was next to heina19:43
mircea_popescuhappened to me a few times too, total bs.19:43
mircea_popescuwhat's the driver, do you know ? order of messages from server maybe ?19:43
diana_comanthe driver is stupid client behaviour really; server clearly communicates the char correctly since even client shows every time correctly the char in the first window, doesn't it?19:44
mircea_popescumyeah19:45
diana_comanbut client then does this stupid shit where it asks for the world and then it kind of discards half of it for all sorts of reasons and then asks for other things and then somewhere somehow it chooses one entity to believe it is self19:45
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diana_coman!QCalc 5422*1.285*1.85*8719:55
lobbesbotdiana_coman: 1121382.106519:55
diana_coman!QAuction 1.12mn 48 5422 NT q18519:57
lobbesbotAUCTION # 204 STARTED by diana_coman: 5422 NT q185 Opening: 1.12mn coppers Ending: 2018-06-12 19:57:42 UTC (48 hours)19:57
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diana_coman!Qbid 197 3.4mn20:10
lobbesbotAUCTION # 197: 120 ALC q16 Heard: 3.4mn from diana_coman overbidding danielpbarron Ending: 2018-06-12 21:51:35 UTC (49 hours 40 mins)20:10
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lobbesbotA#197 O=3mn HB=3.4mn E=06-12 21:51:35 (49h39) >>> 120 ALC q1620:12
lobbesbotA#199 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:54 (49h41) >>> 120 ATC q1620:12
lobbesbotA#200 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:54:55 (49h42) >>> 120 NGC q1620:12
lobbesbotA#203 O=22.5mn HB=22.5mn E=06-12 08:26:17 (36h13) >>> 20 AW q157020:12
lobbesbotA#198 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:00 (49h40) >>> 62 AMcGC q4720:12
lobbesbotA#202 O=13.5mn HB=13.5mn E=06-11 07:59:05 (11h46) >>> 942 ACG q15220:12
lobbesbotA#204 O=1.12mn HB=No bids E=06-12 19:57:42 (47h45) >>> 5422 NT q18520:12
lobbesbotA#194 O=85mn HB=90mn E=06-11 00:39:42 (4h27) >>> 102 WoA q235020:12
lobbesbotA#195 O=10mn HB=11mn E=06-11 23:58:53 (27h46) >>> 1 GT q318436420:12
lobbesbotA#201 O=40mn HB=40mn E=06-12 22:13:31 (50h1) >>> 1 TW q859990820:12
lobbesbot--- end of auction list, 189.4mn total bids ---20:12
diana_comanmircea_popescu, 1st set of NT ^20:13
mircea_popescu!Qcalc 87 * 5422 * 1.8520:17
lobbesbotmircea_popescu: 872670.920:17
mircea_popescudiana_coman, i think more like q120-130 in the future, but ok.20:17
mircea_popescu!Qbid 204 1.12mn20:17
lobbesbotAUCTION # 204: 5422 NT q185 Heard: 1.12mn from mircea_popescu Ending: 2018-06-12 19:57:42 UTC (47 hours 39 mins)20:17
diana_comanmircea_popescu, you want lower q now?20:18
mircea_popescuas per your formula, works best for me.20:18
* diana_coman scratches head20:18
diana_comanas per the formula q1 works swimmingly :D20:19
mircea_popescuwell, i got two constraints : a utility log and the price exponential you described. they'll meet somewhere.20:20
mircea_popescucome to think about it, something like 120% + log(q)*10 might be exactly what i want to pay, per q.20:22
diana_comanyeah, I did not want to hit the noobs, hence ignored the under 100 as it were; but I get what you mean; there is the dubious fact that *nothing* going in is even at 120% ever (electron's cft is 135% anyway)20:22
mircea_popescuhm there's that20:22
mircea_popescuanyway, re the above : per q > 12020:23
mircea_popescuit dun work well with lower qs than that20:23
mircea_popescutbh, pretty much all of this is a shot in the dark, but what can you do,.20:23
mircea_popescuwowza i popped!20:24
mircea_popescu10k ibs roflmao20:24
diana_comano.O, congrats20:24
diana_coman10k ibs can't hurt at all20:24
diana_comanbut are you saying there you'd pay 140% actually for 120q?20:25
mircea_popescuwell, that pop totally made me. ~5.8mn run, right ?20:26
mircea_popescudiana_coman, nah, it was fitted for higher end q.20:26
diana_comanwell, lol20:26
mircea_popescuso without the pop i'd have been about 80%. with it, more like 120%.20:26
mircea_popescudiana_coman, listen, ima put therse tubers into alc process, gonna prolly have more sensible things to say after20:27
diana_comanit's kind of lucky /weird you get ibs; every time foxy popped on lapidary she always got numina only, not the product although otherwise she was actually getting product20:27
mircea_popescui mean really, it's insanely fucking impossible to reason, if one magic click turns a craft run like that20:27
diana_comanyeah, I know20:27
mircea_popescuwhat am i to say ? "i dunno if i hit the right bundle yet or not"20:27
mircea_popescudiana_coman, i got 95% ibs.20:28
diana_comananyways, no hurry, not as if they rot or anything20:28
mircea_popescu10k+ of the stuff.20:28
mircea_popescui literally turned 6k clicks into like 50k ibsen20:28
diana_comanyeah, quite a cool sort of pop, beyond the bv20:28
diana_comanin other news, I can backup my blog-posted hypothesis with more stuff: same noob, same bundles ets, he gets q198 tubers when using the imp tool and q 183 when using the basic one20:30
diana_comanthe sadness with mining seems to be that there aren't all that many tools to click basically20:31
mircea_popescuo wow, so imps actually do something ?20:38
mircea_popescuthis'd put to rest a 5 year old question lol20:38
mircea_popescuso, in 5.9 mn, out 6.3mn ibs + 242k sentiments, meaning 111% bv returns and 96% conversion rate.20:44
diana_comanas long as you get a pop big enough20:46
diana_comandid this increase quality?20:47
mircea_popescunot really.20:51
mircea_popescu90 -> 80s20:51
diana_comanmyeah, sinking quality seems to be all too easy20:52
mircea_popescubut ima do a battery like yours. so : bp q 5, bundle q 427, output 2 ltf q 5320:52
diana_comanI'm going to set up my middle crafter to click some 100 foxy's bundles to see if anything comes out of it really20:53
mircea_popescubp q 37, bundle q 429, output 2 ltf q 53, output all numina.20:54
mircea_popescubp q 37, bundle q 429, output 2 ltf q 53, output all numina. q 142.20:55
diana_comanis that just copy/paste there the 2 ltf q 53 on bp 37?20:55
mircea_popescubp q 37, bundle q 322, output 2 ltf q 53, output 8 bottles, q 12320:55
diana_comano.O bundle q322 and bp q37 is... better than bundle q429 and bp q37?20:56
diana_comanor is that just a glitch, you mini-popped there or something20:56
mircea_popescuhow would i know ?20:57
mircea_popescubp q 18, bundle q 427 , output 2 ltf q 53, output 1 bottles, q 9920:57
diana_comanwell, I reported them as one single thing but I did 10 clicks of each, lol20:58
mircea_popescubp q 18, bundle q 322 , output 2 ltf q 53, output 1 bottles, q 8620:58
mircea_popescuso it seems to ~not actually matter, in a sense, 420 or 320 bundle, i still get 1 bottle.20:59
diana_comanq went down though21:00
diana_comanprolly after some threshold you don't get the bottle either21:00
diana_comanI mean: how else could it matter in this sense continuously exactly?21:00
mircea_popescui dunno21:02
mircea_popescubut seems to me i'm converting about 80%, ie, not nearly as well as with the ibs.21:03
mircea_popescustill, imo bottles q 99 are not useless.21:04
diana_comanthey aren't useless, no; but onth if at next step you keep losing another 10 q points...21:08
diana_comandunno, doesn't sound like a very great deal21:08
diana_comanexcept for the use of low q bps I suppose21:08
mircea_popescuthe ibs im using is q 80s21:10
mircea_popescuand merchant cdg. of course the goop is like 40021:10
mircea_popescuwhat can you do ?21:10
diana_comanuntil the goop I was thinking it was actually good21:11
diana_comanlol21:11
mircea_popescu:p21:11
lobbesbotA#197 O=3mn HB=3.4mn E=06-12 21:51:35 (48h39) >>> 120 ALC q1621:12
lobbesbotA#199 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:54 (48h41) >>> 120 ATC q1621:12
lobbesbotA#200 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:54:55 (48h42) >>> 120 NGC q1621:12
lobbesbotA#203 O=22.5mn HB=22.5mn E=06-12 08:26:17 (35h13) >>> 20 AW q157021:12
lobbesbotA#198 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:00 (48h40) >>> 62 AMcGC q4721:12
lobbesbotA#202 O=13.5mn HB=13.5mn E=06-11 07:59:05 (10h46) >>> 942 ACG q15221:12
lobbesbotA#204 O=1.12mn HB=1.12mn E=06-12 19:57:42 (46h45) >>> 5422 NT q18521:12
lobbesbotA#194 O=85mn HB=90mn E=06-11 00:39:42 (3h27) >>> 102 WoA q235021:12
lobbesbotA#195 O=10mn HB=11mn E=06-11 23:58:53 (26h46) >>> 1 GT q318436421:12
lobbesbotA#201 O=40mn HB=40mn E=06-12 22:13:31 (49h1) >>> 1 TW q859990821:12
lobbesbot--- end of auction list, 190.52mn total bids ---21:12
diana_comanapparently q216 of lvl1 craftables is perfectly doable atm; dunno about q400 though21:12
mircea_popescumyeah21:14
diana_comanhanbot did you ever collect that grimy toolkit?21:24
diana_coman100 clicks intermediate crafter on bundle q689, bp 133q ; he ranked 6 levels in tinkering, 1 in sortage; he got 135 slag q217 and 78 q216 + 1.6k tpf q217 and 1k tpf 21621:32
diana_coman!QCalc 100*(677*6.89+67*1.33) /(677*2.17*135+677*2.16*78+1600*2.17+1000*2.16)21:34
lobbesbotdiana_coman: 1.4947608187421:34
diana_coman!QCalc (135*677*2.17+78*677*2.16)/(677*6.89*100)21:38
lobbesbotdiana_coman: 0.66970972423821:38
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hanbotdiana_coman sorry 'bout the delay, i'm logging into the game right nao if you'd like to trade21:53
diana_comanhanbot, k, 2 min to get back to town21:54
diana_comanhanbot, ready when you are21:57
diana_comanenjoy!21:58
hanbotcheers :)21:58
hanbotmircea_popescu, convenient trading time for you also?21:58
mircea_popescusure.21:58
lobbesbotA#197 O=3mn HB=3.4mn E=06-12 21:51:35 (47h39) >>> 120 ALC q1622:12
lobbesbotA#199 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:54 (47h41) >>> 120 ATC q1622:12
lobbesbotA#200 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:54:55 (47h42) >>> 120 NGC q1622:12
lobbesbotA#203 O=22.5mn HB=22.5mn E=06-12 08:26:17 (34h13) >>> 20 AW q157022:12
lobbesbotA#198 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:00 (47h40) >>> 62 AMcGC q4722:12
lobbesbotA#202 O=13.5mn HB=13.5mn E=06-11 07:59:05 (9h46) >>> 942 ACG q15222:12
lobbesbotA#204 O=1.12mn HB=1.12mn E=06-12 19:57:42 (45h45) >>> 5422 NT q18522:12
lobbesbotA#194 O=85mn HB=90mn E=06-11 00:39:42 (2h27) >>> 102 WoA q235022:12
lobbesbotA#195 O=10mn HB=11mn E=06-11 23:58:53 (25h46) >>> 1 GT q318436422:12
lobbesbotA#201 O=40mn HB=40mn E=06-12 22:13:31 (48h1) >>> 1 TW q859990822:12
lobbesbot--- end of auction list, 190.52mn total bids ---22:12
danielpbarron!Qbid 197 3.5m22:15
lobbesbotAUCTION # 197: 120 ALC q16 Heard: 3.5mn from danielpbarron overbidding diana_coman Ending: 2018-06-12 21:51:35 UTC (47 hours 35 mins)22:15
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lobbesbotA#197 O=3mn HB=3.5mn E=06-12 21:51:35 (46h39) >>> 120 ALC q1623:12
lobbesbotA#199 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:54 (46h41) >>> 120 ATC q1623:12
lobbesbotA#200 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:54:55 (46h42) >>> 120 NGC q1623:12
lobbesbotA#203 O=22.5mn HB=22.5mn E=06-12 08:26:17 (33h13) >>> 20 AW q157023:12
lobbesbotA#198 O=3mn HB=3mn E=06-12 21:53:00 (46h40) >>> 62 AMcGC q4723:12
lobbesbotA#202 O=13.5mn HB=13.5mn E=06-11 07:59:05 (8h46) >>> 942 ACG q15223:12
lobbesbotA#204 O=1.12mn HB=1.12mn E=06-12 19:57:42 (44h45) >>> 5422 NT q18523:12
lobbesbotA#194 O=85mn HB=90mn E=06-11 00:39:42 (1h27) >>> 102 WoA q235023:12
lobbesbotA#195 O=10mn HB=11mn E=06-11 23:58:53 (24h46) >>> 1 GT q318436423:12
lobbesbotA#201 O=40mn HB=40mn E=06-12 22:13:31 (47h1) >>> 1 TW q859990823:12
lobbesbot--- end of auction list, 190.62mn total bids ---23:12
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